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  • jimjamjamie - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    I think it would be beneficial to include the memory bandwidth numbers in the comparison table.
  • Slash3 - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    Absolutely.
  • RaistlinZ - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    That's crazy talk. :Þ
  • wizfactor - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    I hope Nvidia has the sense to give the GTX 1650 a fair price. $149 is horrible value when the 1650 Super, a far faster card, is only $10 more.

    If anyone has a PSU so cheaply made that it's dangerous to provide 6-pin power to any kind of discrete GPU, then that computer has bigger problems than needing the GPU to be powered only by the PCIe slot.
  • PeachNCream - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    There are a fair number of OEM desktops around that would not have the necessary power. In the case of business class hardware, the quality is generally pretty high due to the need for longer warranties from the vendor to cover the full expected lifespan of the system. In those cases one of the x030 class GPUs is a good fit. The 1650 is pushing it a bit for sub-300 watt PSUs so an upgrade would be necessary which can be a pain in a business class system. Not that there are a lot of desktops out there in the wild anyway with most companies issuing out laptops (something likely to become even more common now that we are in a work-from-home world).
  • wizfactor - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    I am sure there is a computer out there where support for an extra 6-pin power cable doesn't exist. With that said, I don't think there are that many people who are in a position where this is their only choice for a computer and it's impossible to upgrade the power supply. If anyone is that person, then the GTX 1650 is the way to go, but only because they don't have a choice.

    I bet the vast majority of PC builders do have a choice. For them, the GTX 1650 makes no sense at $150. The $10 extra for the Super is a must.
  • eek2121 - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    I don’t know of a single OEM out there that ships such a configuration. If there is one, shame on them. Does 25W really make or break things?
  • Alistair - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    there is no computer that can't run the 1650 Super, at worse, you can use an adapter to create a six pin out of your HDD power cable

    $120 and we'll talk, this card should have been put in the dumpster long ago
  • Dahak - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link

    Look at all the dell's, hp's, lenovo's especially the SFF machines which may not have a 6-pin gpu power but if the 1650 is available as a low profile card, would still work in these type of machines
  • rrinker - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    Pretty much. It's always a budgeting issue, but ditch the RGB fans and get plain ones, ditch the windowed case and get a plain one, ditch the fancy heat spreader RAM (with or without RGB) and get the same speed RAM in a plain package, use a slightly less expensive SSD, you'll never see the speed difference, and you'll easily have the budget to pay an extra $20 for a better quality power supply, the $10 extra for the 1650 Super, and probably enough left over to go to the next fasted CPU. Stuff that will actually improve performance in noticeable ways.
    Now you kids get off my lawn - yes, I am old, and I just don't get the poseur gamer (or poseur car) world. Why just look fast when you can actually be fast? I get if you already have the latest top of the line everything, the only thing you can do past that is add all sorts of RGB lights, UV reactive coolants, etc.
  • wizfactor - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    I don' think there's anything wrong with getting a rig with some style over substance. I personally own a small form-factor PC case that's premium as hell, but I love it to death.

    With all of that said, of all the things to cheap out on in the name of chasing RGB fans, the PSU should be last. Of all the components in a system, the PSU is the most likely to be a literal fire hazard, so everybody should go out of their way to get one that's at least built to acceptable standards. Any decent PSU will be good enough to power the 1650 Super, so it's basically impossible to argue that a PC build "must" use the 1650 over the Super for PCIe power reasons.
  • Holliday75 - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    The people making decisions on this type of gear are looking at thousands of units, possible tens of thousands. Cost changes that are difficult to quantify are not overlooked.
  • Retycint - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    Same reason why many business laptops are configured with crappy 768p TN screens, because apparently cheaper is better, yet not considering the loss of productivity from using such a low res screen (less screen real estate as things are inflated etc)
  • eek2121 - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    This is a retail channel part, not OEM.
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link

    The cards illustrating the article are retail, but with GDDR5 being discontinued blander looking OEM cards will be switching over as well. There might be a delay, if GDDR5 is marginally cheaper some OEMs might've made large last orders of it because in their market $5 savings on the BOM is more important than 5% higher FPS, but even there their stock of GDDR5 cards will eventually run out. They won't want to stockpile too many since next generation cards will be coming out at some point in the future.
  • shabby - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    Gotta milk the cow.
  • Yojimbo - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    Pricing isn't based on "fairness", it's based on the market. Sellers are always trying to maximize their profit, and the pricing gets set by what people are willing to pay and the cost dependencies of the products. Your judgment of what is fair or not may or may not match with the demands of the market or the cost dependencies of the production of the products. Now, NVIDIA may bin their products in a way that doesn't match the demand of the market very well, but that's just a matter of making inefficient decisions and not a matter of "fairness".
  • Yojimbo - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    We need to do a better job of educating people the way markets work as well as the way statistics work. We are doing a great disservice to ourselves as a society if we don't have good education in these areas because people who have an inaccurate idea make bad decisions and can be more easily fooled and taken advantage of.
  • PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link

    If you did educate people at large about that, the status quo non-COVID economy would show significantly less growth because of a lack of purchasing. Premium product categories would not really exist and there wouldn't be 5000 square foot homes for a family of four that have two giant SUVs parked in the driveway. Nor would there be lifted pickup trucks carting around people wearing camo on their way to shoot random things. ATVs, boats, professional sports, and a whole host of things that are pretty stupid in general but cause the flow of money between individuals and organizations would simply not exist. We depend on a lack of wisdom and a healthy amount of clueless impulse buying on wasteful things to make ourselves feel good and to keep that 1% on its lofty perch where it can look down a nose or two at the rest of the world.
  • StrangerGuy - Thursday, April 9, 2020 - link

    The volume of water used by the average American home in 1 month is the same of what I use here in Singapore for 9 months, and you guys wonder why places like California are facing increasing water shortages.
  • Samus - Friday, April 10, 2020 - link

    True, it's ridiculous it retails for $10 less than the super, which is like 30% faster.
  • DanNeely - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    It's not just MSRP price parity between GDDR5/6 cards indicating that this will be a quick switchover and not 2 versions remaining in parallel production long term. Coverage elsewhere has said that this is being driven by the DRAM makers EOLing their GDDR5 products; which will force a rapid phase out of the legacy variants other than what ends up lingering in retail inventory until it's discounted enough to move.
  • eek2121 - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    They need to stop rebadging cards like this. I will never understand why companies pull stunts like this. AMD is guilty of it as well.

    Why drop the clockspeed? If it performs too closely to the next model up, discontinue one of the SKUs and call it a day. NVIDIA eouldn’t have this issue if they didn’t have a different SKU for practically ever $10 that you can spend.
  • DanNeely - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    This was answered in the article. To be PCIe only for power; they couldn't increase the TDP above 75W. Which meant they had to lower clock speeds; the 10% faster performance from GDDR6 vs 5 is because the GPU spends less time waiting from ram and more time working and generating heat; if GDDR6 and/or GDDR6 controllers use more power as well that's something else that needs to be compensated for by lowering core clocks.

    Larger factory overclocks with an external power connector are possible in theory; but the narrow price gap between this and the 1650 Ti makes them unlikely unless the base model gets a price cut.
  • lmcd - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    Personally bought a 1650 so that I could skip routing the cable. I accidentally bought a comparatively-inflexible PSU for a case that needs good cable management and not routing the PCIe cable greatly improved the workability of the case.

    I'm not gaming on it either way but there's no iGPU to fall back on. Only disappointment was the last-gen encoder, but even then I'd still pick my main rig's 1070 on the basis of having more encoder units to work with.
  • Aikouka - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    Yeah, I really wish that Nvidia would've considered using the Turing NVENC with the 1650. I use a 1050 Ti in my Plex server, and while it technically works fine, I wouldn't mind slightly better hardware encoding visuals while sidelining my 1050 Ti as a simple test card. (It's really nice having a test card around that doesn't require PCI-E power!)
  • NICOXIS - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link

    How long until GDDR7?
  • nandnandnand - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link

    GDDR5 was revealed by Samsung Electronics in July 2007.
    In January 2016, JEDEC standardized GDDR5X SGRAM.
    At Hot Chips 2016, Samsung announced GDDR6 as the successor of GDDR5X.

    There might never be a GDDR7. The industry could move entirely to HBM or a different 3D stacking scheme. There could be a GDDR6X.
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link

    A few glimpses of GDDR7 - in the form of chip design IP - have recently became visible to the public. Dunno how far along it is, but someone appears to be tinkering with the standard.

    https://hardforum.com/threads/h-exclusive-gddr7-hi...
  • GPURepublic - Thursday, August 19, 2021 - link

    I've found the GTX 1660 way better than other GTX 1600 series graphics cards. It's worth spending a bit more for GTX 1660 or 1660Ti than wasting money on a low-end GPU like this. This is what I've read on https://gpurepublic.com

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