"The original H310 was built on 14nm, the H310C was built on 22nm, so who knows what the H310D will be."
28-32nm if the trend holds up. Bigger numbers are always better so we clearly need Intel to push forward on plans to get us back to at least 65nm by 2021.
how can intels 7nm be in the works when they havent even got 10nm anything, + or other wise working right ?? come one Hstewart, stop trying to put your BS pro intel spin on it when some one mentions anything negative about intel.
Yes Intel had issues with 10nm and it now ln production with LiceLake like new XPS 13 2in1 which is available now
But Intel also realize that it need updated process and has 7nm process ready for 2020/2021.
But keep in mind lower nm does not always mean more dense or better. The process is interesting now because legal issues between Global Foundries and TSMC
ahhh hstewart, have to defend intel no matter what huh ???
" had issues with 10nm and it now ln production with LiceLake like new XPS 13 2in1 which is available now " more like still having issues, and is barely in production now, no where near the clocks their 14++++++++++++++++++++++++++++nm process is able to reach, and maxes out at what quad core?? lets call that limited production.
" But Intel also realize that it need updated process and has 7nm process ready for 2020/2021 " yea right.. 2020/21?? try 2023 or later. either way.. i will believe that, when it actually is in full production, and intel releases products in volume, at the same clock speeds ( or better ) and more then 4 cores.
id laugh if GoFo, at some point, also named intel in those legal issues some how....
Not really, I only writing the truth here - Intel has 7nm in there pipeline for 2021 and 10nm is shipping. Comedic jokes about 14+++++ days are over with
writing the truth ??? yea right.. thats a joke !!!!! your fanatic fanboy truth.. or reality ?? until intel releases 7nm products in volume, giving a date for it, is bs. and 14+++++ jokes.. are not over with.
" Intel has 7nm in there pipeline for 2021 " so we can expect that to be in use when?? 2025?? 2030 ??? " and 10nm is shipping " um sorry hstewart, but only being used in a limited number of products, and those products are slower, and max out at quad core, isnt such a good sign, shows intel is STILL having issues with it, but as usual you HAVE TO defend them, and make them look better then they do. you really do love your beloved intel and will defend them till your last breath, no matter what you have to make up to do that, won't you ?
Not "has" 7nm process ready for 2020/2021. "Needs to have", they don't have it yet. And while a smaller node doesn't automatically mean better (*cough*Broadwell-E clocked worse than previous gen*cough*) it kinda *does* mean denser. Unless you hit temp issues.
This is done by separate teams, working independently of each other. I.e. While one team is working on 65nm, the other starts looking into 32nm. When the 65nm team is done, they start looking at 22nm, while the other team does their thing.
I remember my Q6600s with foundness, passed them onto the kids for years, ultimately upgraded with very cool and slightly modded 3,4 GHz X5492 (45nm those) to fit that 775 socket.
Retired the last active system running with a 65nm T7500 mobile Core 2 Duo only two months ago, not because of unreliable hardware but software: Windows 7 32-bit kept resetting after the February Meltdown/Spectre updates got in, whenever the system connected to a network.
So every month I had to roll back the OS update so Wifey could have her computer back on WiFi.
She could eventually be talked into accepting an Ivy Bridge notebook upgrade with WinX. She likes them well seasoned and to be honest that 3.3GHz dual core is no real slouch on all things 2D.
It used to be that chipsets were always a node - 1 and node -2 back in the day. 130 nm CPU, 180 nm north bridge and a 250 nm south bridge chip. It was one of the ways Intel kept their old production lines busy at the tail end of their depreciation.
Are y’all not even looking at publicly available product briefs from Intel anymore? 495 Series is Ice Lake PCH (ICP-LP) and 400 Series is Comet Lake-U PCH (CMP-LP). This has was announced publicly by Intel as far back as May/June.
The information appears to be correct above, Intel doc clearly states the 495 chipset is on doc with the new 10th generation U processors. as 10nm CPU and 14nm PCH
Do people even still upgrade? I used to upgrade all the time but stopped at X99. Ended up getting a Xeon 2696V3 which is an OCed version of a 2699V3 for $500. Still faster than todays latest i9-9900K for rendering.
Quarterly reports out of Intel and AMD both seem to indicate healthy demand exists for new parts. Maybe you can infer there are a fair number of upgrades amid those purchase orders. Personally, I don't see a huge need to rush forward for new hardware. My Windows PC for my (very) modest gaming needs is a 11.6 inch Bay Trail laptop. My daily use Linux box is running an AMD A4-1250. My "heavy lift" virtual host is an old Athlon II P360. All of them are basically okay for the tasks they perform with the virtual host the only one that really needs more of anything, mainly a quad core versus a dual core since I'd like to have a second or third guest running for some of the tinkering I do, I'm sure lots of people need more, but it seems like most of them already have it from a CPU perspective.
As if PCIe 4.0 has a tangible advantage right now. The only SSDs available for it are mediocre at best (sure, higher sequential throughput, but that hardly matters for the majority of real-life tasks). So what else is there?
except when building a pc today you wont be using it for the past 3 years. you will use it for the next 3 years. pcie 4 nvme ssd bandwidth has 6 months before being the bottleneck again.
intel's shills are failing about as hard the company itself LUL
6 months? Try 2 years for SSDs. For GPUs we already went around that limit with NVLink and other interconnects. For gaming it'll be at least 10 years before we care about PCIe 4.0's bandwidth limits.
Except quad cores WERE enough. Six core CPUs existed for a full decade before now, and games STILL dont normally use mroe then 4 cores, modern OSes are just a lot better about shunting everything off of the 4 cores those games do use.
We are just now starting to see 5-6 core usage by modern games. There was nothing "BS" about the quad core is enough statement, it WAS enough at the time, and for quite the time after as well.
PCIE gen 4 is currently pointless. The 2080ti is the first GPU to see itself held back by PCIE 2.0x8, it needs 2.0x16 or 3/.0x8 to run at full speed. So when we get double the speed of the 2080ti, we MIGHT see a need for 4.0. MIGHT, We may need more then double the speed to see that, and by then the current PCIE4 platforms will be obsolete.
That is if we ever get there, with the way silicon improvements are slowing down.
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PeachNCream - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
"The original H310 was built on 14nm, the H310C was built on 22nm, so who knows what the H310D will be."28-32nm if the trend holds up. Bigger numbers are always better so we clearly need Intel to push forward on plans to get us back to at least 65nm by 2021.
Smell This - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
Please do not smear Intel.We all know that 65nm was hot and unreliable.
Smell This - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
... Not unlike those 10nm+++ chips that are due any day.
HStewart - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
10nm+++ will likely never see light of day, Intel 7nm will is already in the works. I think we will like see a 10nm++Qasar - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
how can intels 7nm be in the works when they havent even got 10nm anything, + or other wise working right ?? come one Hstewart, stop trying to put your BS pro intel spin on it when some one mentions anything negative about intel.HStewart - Sunday, September 8, 2019 - link
Yes Intel had issues with 10nm and it now ln production with LiceLake like new XPS 13 2in1 which is available nowBut Intel also realize that it need updated process and has 7nm process ready for 2020/2021.
But keep in mind lower nm does not always mean more dense or better. The process is interesting now because legal issues between Global Foundries and TSMC
Qasar - Sunday, September 8, 2019 - link
ahhh hstewart, have to defend intel no matter what huh ???" had issues with 10nm and it now ln production with LiceLake like new XPS 13 2in1 which is available now " more like still having issues, and is barely in production now, no where near the clocks their 14++++++++++++++++++++++++++++nm process is able to reach, and maxes out at what quad core?? lets call that limited production.
" But Intel also realize that it need updated process and has 7nm process ready for 2020/2021 " yea right.. 2020/21?? try 2023 or later. either way.. i will believe that, when it actually is in full production, and intel releases products in volume, at the same clock speeds ( or better ) and more then 4 cores.
id laugh if GoFo, at some point, also named intel in those legal issues some how....
shabby - Sunday, September 8, 2019 - link
You are comedic gold HStewart, don't stop 😂HStewart - Monday, September 9, 2019 - link
Not really, I only writing the truth here - Intel has 7nm in there pipeline for 2021 and 10nm is shipping. Comedic jokes about 14+++++ days are over withKorguz - Monday, September 9, 2019 - link
writing the truth ??? yea right.. thats a joke !!!!! your fanatic fanboy truth.. or reality ?? until intel releases 7nm products in volume, giving a date for it, is bs. and 14+++++ jokes.. are not over with.Qasar - Monday, September 9, 2019 - link
" Intel has 7nm in there pipeline for 2021 " so we can expect that to be in use when?? 2025?? 2030 ??? " and 10nm is shipping " um sorry hstewart, but only being used in a limited number of products, and those products are slower, and max out at quad core, isnt such a good sign, shows intel is STILL having issues with it, but as usual you HAVE TO defend them, and make them look better then they do. you really do love your beloved intel and will defend them till your last breath, no matter what you have to make up to do that, won't you ?bananaforscale - Monday, September 9, 2019 - link
Not "has" 7nm process ready for 2020/2021. "Needs to have", they don't have it yet. And while a smaller node doesn't automatically mean better (*cough*Broadwell-E clocked worse than previous gen*cough*) it kinda *does* mean denser. Unless you hit temp issues.HStewart - Sunday, September 8, 2019 - link
Just FYI the 495 chipsets mention in this article is actually shipping with 1-0nm CPU now. XPS 13 2in1 is example.https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/laptops/new-1...
bug77 - Monday, September 9, 2019 - link
This is done by separate teams, working independently of each other.I.e. While one team is working on 65nm, the other starts looking into 32nm. When the 65nm team is done, they start looking at 22nm, while the other team does their thing.
Smell This - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
shabby - Sunday, September 08, 2019 - link
You are comedic gold HStewart, don't stop 😂
↑ This.
And, just wondering __ would this be body, head, or pubic 'Lice Lake' ?
abufrejoval - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
I remember my Q6600s with foundness, passed them onto the kids for years, ultimately upgraded with very cool and slightly modded 3,4 GHz X5492 (45nm those) to fit that 775 socket.Retired the last active system running with a 65nm T7500 mobile Core 2 Duo only two months ago, not because of unreliable hardware but software: Windows 7 32-bit kept resetting after the February Meltdown/Spectre updates got in, whenever the system connected to a network.
So every month I had to roll back the OS update so Wifey could have her computer back on WiFi.
She could eventually be talked into accepting an Ivy Bridge notebook upgrade with WinX. She likes them well seasoned and to be honest that 3.3GHz dual core is no real slouch on all things 2D.
willis936 - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
I still run my Q6600 at 3.2 GHz. It turns out having a native parallel port is still valuable.YB1064 - Sunday, September 8, 2019 - link
Time to move to Linux.Kevin G - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
It used to be that chipsets were always a node - 1 and node -2 back in the day. 130 nm CPU, 180 nm north bridge and a 250 nm south bridge chip. It was one of the ways Intel kept their old production lines busy at the tail end of their depreciation.Kevin G - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
My guess would be that the H310D is made at TSMC as per the rumors that floated around a year ago.repoman27 - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
Are y’all not even looking at publicly available product briefs from Intel anymore? 495 Series is Ice Lake PCH (ICP-LP) and 400 Series is Comet Lake-U PCH (CMP-LP). This has was announced publicly by Intel as far back as May/June.https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/d...
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/d...
HStewart - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
The information appears to be correct above, Intel doc clearly states the 495 chipset is on doc with the new 10th generation U processors. as 10nm CPU and 14nm PCHboozed - Friday, September 6, 2019 - link
Oh Em Geeazfacea - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
Intel in 2019 LULSamus - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
Who knows, maybe they will get to PCIe 4.0 this year...AntDX316 - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
Do people even still upgrade? I used to upgrade all the time but stopped at X99. Ended up getting a Xeon 2696V3 which is an OCed version of a 2699V3 for $500. Still faster than todays latest i9-9900K for rendering.PeachNCream - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
Quarterly reports out of Intel and AMD both seem to indicate healthy demand exists for new parts. Maybe you can infer there are a fair number of upgrades amid those purchase orders. Personally, I don't see a huge need to rush forward for new hardware. My Windows PC for my (very) modest gaming needs is a 11.6 inch Bay Trail laptop. My daily use Linux box is running an AMD A4-1250. My "heavy lift" virtual host is an old Athlon II P360. All of them are basically okay for the tasks they perform with the virtual host the only one that really needs more of anything, mainly a quad core versus a dual core since I'd like to have a second or third guest running for some of the tinkering I do, I'm sure lots of people need more, but it seems like most of them already have it from a CPU perspective.azfacea - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
intel will have pcie 4 after the "5g modem"nevcairiel - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
As if PCIe 4.0 has a tangible advantage right now. The only SSDs available for it are mediocre at best (sure, higher sequential throughput, but that hardly matters for the majority of real-life tasks). So what else is there?mjz_5 - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
Give it some times. How do people on a tech site complain about tech moving forward. Very strangejeremyshaw - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
It all depends on if one likes the company or not. See: Nvidia RTX.azfacea - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
except when building a pc today you wont be using it for the past 3 years. you will use it for the next 3 years. pcie 4 nvme ssd bandwidth has 6 months before being the bottleneck again.intel's shills are failing about as hard the company itself LUL
patrickjp93 - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
6 months? Try 2 years for SSDs. For GPUs we already went around that limit with NVLink and other interconnects. For gaming it'll be at least 10 years before we care about PCIe 4.0's bandwidth limits.azfacea - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
try knowing something about the topic before giving postulates.https://www.anandtech.com/show/14728/phison-previe...
and samsung before that
imaheadcase - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
Does it even matter? Its not like we are pushing it unless a few select cases. Consumer cards don't matter.azfacea - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
of course it does. you are repeating the same quad core is enough bs that intel fed us for a decade.you dont see applications until hw exists.
+ intel wires up chipset to CPU using pcie3 x4 link. everything is on that. sata, ethernet, multiple nvme SSDs, older pcie gens ....
the DMI link is underprovisioned by 5x and u say it doesnt matter
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Except quad cores WERE enough. Six core CPUs existed for a full decade before now, and games STILL dont normally use mroe then 4 cores, modern OSes are just a lot better about shunting everything off of the 4 cores those games do use.We are just now starting to see 5-6 core usage by modern games. There was nothing "BS" about the quad core is enough statement, it WAS enough at the time, and for quite the time after as well.
PCIE gen 4 is currently pointless. The 2080ti is the first GPU to see itself held back by PCIE 2.0x8, it needs 2.0x16 or 3/.0x8 to run at full speed. So when we get double the speed of the 2080ti, we MIGHT see a need for 4.0. MIGHT, We may need more then double the speed to see that, and by then the current PCIE4 platforms will be obsolete.
That is if we ever get there, with the way silicon improvements are slowing down.
TennesseeTony - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
Going out on a limb here, but regarding the 495, I'd guess:TennesseeTony - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
10nm CPU / 14nm PCHGen 11 Intel Graphics Engine, up to 64EU
DDR4 up to 3200, LPDDR4/x 3733
Enhanced IPU4p: 16Mp, 4k30, 4 Cameras, RGB+IR camera
End to end 10b support: Power optimized HEVC 10 bit encode and VP9 10 bit dec/8 bit encode, 444 format support for HEVC & VP9, 10 bit Display
3 DDI (+1), eDP 1.4b, DP 1.4, HDMI 2.0b, HW HDR Linear scale & blend, FP16. Outdoor LACE
Programmable Quad-Core Audio DSP, Sound Wire Digital Audio Interface, Intel® Gaussian & Neural Accelerator (Intel® GNA) for low-power neural network acceleration
Integrated Wi-Fi*/BT (CNVi AC/Wi-Fi 6 support) - Intel® Wi-Fi 6 AX201 (2x2/160 MHz, Gig)
Integrated USB Type-C* (USB 3 (10G), Thunderbolt™ 3 technology, DisplayPort 1.4) – up to 4 ports
Next Gen Intel® Optane™ memory SSDs/Memory, PCIe* 3.0, SATA, SD 3.0, eMMC 5.1
SGX 2.0 with Ecosystem scaling (e.g ROP)
Board Savings17 due to IP Integration FIVR (both CPU and PCH), Type-C sub system, HDMI2.0/HDCP2.2, Wi-Fi* (CNVi MAC) etc.
TennesseeTony - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en...