22-core? You mean 28-core? Considering it's an unlocked 28-core Xeon with _higher_ clocks than the $10000 Xeon Platium 8180, it's going to be _far_ more expensive than that. The 18-core Xeon W-2195 (2.3-4.3GHz) is $2553. And they're not fitting XCC silicon into the X299 platform - there simply isn't room (just look at pictures of a delidded 7980XE and tell me where you're going to fit 50% more cores), so they're not going above 22 cores for this platform.
Anyone else think that the i7 9800X should be an "i7 9820X" and the existing i9 9820X is just a weird part? The i9 7900X seems better than the i9 9820X other than L3 cache and maybe some other hardware under the hood. Better thermals, better top frequency in the i9 7900X, etc. Does Intel just need to sell more busted HCC parts or something? (I am assuming that the i9 7900X can be discounted in price due to the refresh for consumer cost parity.)
It still uses the Skylake-X architecture, with exclusive L3 cache, so it will continue to have issues with cache snoops slowing down gaming performance. It's not a gaming chip, regardless of what Intel will try to claim.
The i5-8600 is better than Threadripper in gaming. And it's going to be better than the new i9. That's not surprising at all. Intel is being dumb again, targeting the wrong market, plain and simple.
When the Intel guy said ... "Serious gaming requires serious performance." I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. He said it with a totally straight face.
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The extra core counts will keep it gaming for a long time to come as well. My 3930K is still handling every game I throw at it... And my Q9650 quad is still holding up well all things considered.
seems like a better lunch than last gen, finally no more chopping of the PCI-E lanes for lower chips and returning to soldered IHS (I still have heat issues wit my 7900x after delidding probably I need to reapply LM) and the improved clocks is a nice bump.
thanks to AMD "pressure" If Intel would be doing the RIGHT way for consumers they would have a "family" that all shared the same "features" such as Hyper-V, various things such as SSE instructions pcie-lanes that were not added or removed regardless of the cost being paid (or not paid)
that is one thing have always <3 about AMD they either "give it all" or give "none" not pick and choose things nearly as often as Intel or Ngreedia sometimes in VERY awkward ways...reminds me way back to core 2 Duo line (and many since) that even though was same "family" such as Core 2 Duo E8xxx, some of the chips had some features "given" with some "removed" and the other ones got some of the other features "added" while the others were now "removed"
If they are such a "premium brand" you figure them (and Ngreedia) would be a far more fleshed out far more "complete" product being offered and not pick and choose certain things added or removed but still expect the "premium" price of that family or generation....
that whole pci-e lane if anything irked me to no end...let the USER decide what they can afford on the chip or motherboard, but no reason to "cut things away" to save a dollar or 2 when the end consumer still pays the same price anyways and often enough suffers the "consequence" of having a less complete chip/chipset because of not spending through the nose for a product that is well beyond what they need or can afford.
pressure from AMD (whether Intel, Ngreedia or fanboys "admit it" has caused them to behave more "appropriately") seems AMD is the referee when THEY cannot be their own..shame AMD share price is nowhere close to where it should be considering their massive turn around over the past two years.
To the best of my knowledge aren't these Skylake-X refresh CPUs called Cascade Lake-X? If that's the case why wasn't it mentioned anywhere? Was "Cascade Lake" just a temporary marketing term?
Any info about intel RAID support directly through CPU on these new X-series processors? Do we still required that VROC key to enable these kind of configurations?
Can we expect the Skylake-X i7-9800X to be competitive with the 2019 Coffee Lake i9-9900K? (not to be confused with the Skylake-X i9-9900X) (god Intel's whole naming scheme is a trash fire)
No, not in gaming. i9-9900K has ring bus for 8-cores and i9-9800X has mesh topology. As pointed out above, the cache misses and other issues with bus topology along with higher 1-4 core top clock speeds will let 9900K reign supreme in gaming over 9800X.
I have a Sandy-Bridge 3930K I haven't upgraded for 6+ years because I refused to pay $1000 for a chip just to get the 40+ PCIE lanes I need for multi-GPU and other add-in cards. I feel like I can finally upgrade to the 9800X and still get what I need for a price that is not much more than what I paid for the 3930K years ago. Oh yea, and I've waited so long they finally started soldering the chips again... It's like I've been stuck in a time vault and was released just in time to see what "should" have been available as a successor to Sandy Bridge...
Intel's TDP's seem to be going up across all their processor range. That's not good. Also their 9th gen processors give 15-17% performance gain with an 80% price mark up. Which is a massive ripoff to consumers.
"For the Skylake-X microarchitecture, each CPU has 1.375 MB of L3 cache – so a 10 core CPU should have access to 13.75 MB. If we take the culprit that has changed the most – the 10-core Core i9-9900K"
Notice how price per core is not falling over years. They just add cores and jack the prices up. In 8 years there will be 384 core processors that sell for $50,000
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DigitalFreak - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
If the 18 core 9980XE is $1979, I'm guessing the 22 core will be $2500 - $2600.TEAMSWITCHER - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
And the ASUS ROG Dominus Extreme Motherboard to support this will cost .. I'm guessing here .. about $800?Valantar - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
22-core? You mean 28-core? Considering it's an unlocked 28-core Xeon with _higher_ clocks than the $10000 Xeon Platium 8180, it's going to be _far_ more expensive than that. The 18-core Xeon W-2195 (2.3-4.3GHz) is $2553. And they're not fitting XCC silicon into the X299 platform - there simply isn't room (just look at pictures of a delidded 7980XE and tell me where you're going to fit 50% more cores), so they're not going above 22 cores for this platform.Valantar - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
Of course I meant that they're not going above 18 cores for this platform. *slaps forehead*theeldest - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
The Xeon Gold 6132 is a 14-core part at $2150. Intel won't want people doing a single W-series part when they should infact be buying 2x of the 6132x.I think $4500 is the low end of what to expect for a 28-core CPU and $10k is much more likely.
Yaldabaoth - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
Anyone else think that the i7 9800X should be an "i7 9820X" and the existing i9 9820X is just a weird part? The i9 7900X seems better than the i9 9820X other than L3 cache and maybe some other hardware under the hood. Better thermals, better top frequency in the i9 7900X, etc. Does Intel just need to sell more busted HCC parts or something? (I am assuming that the i9 7900X can be discounted in price due to the refresh for consumer cost parity.)dgingeri - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
It still uses the Skylake-X architecture, with exclusive L3 cache, so it will continue to have issues with cache snoops slowing down gaming performance. It's not a gaming chip, regardless of what Intel will try to claim.maroon1 - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
It is better than Threadripper in gamingNeoqueto - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
The i5-8600 is better than Threadripper in gaming. And it's going to be better than the new i9. That's not surprising at all. Intel is being dumb again, targeting the wrong market, plain and simple.TEAMSWITCHER - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
When the Intel guy said ... "Serious gaming requires serious performance." I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. He said it with a totally straight face.metropcs - Tuesday, October 30, 2018 - link
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steven4570 - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
"gaming chip" is a meaningless term. This CPU will handle whatever you throw at it.StevoLincolnite - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
The extra core counts will keep it gaming for a long time to come as well.My 3930K is still handling every game I throw at it...
And my Q9650 quad is still holding up well all things considered.
vlado08 - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
So who exactly is this launch aimed at? . . . . .May be AMD? . . . .
Eliadbu - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
seems like a better lunch than last gen, finally no more chopping of the PCI-E lanes for lower chipsand returning to soldered IHS (I still have heat issues wit my 7900x after delidding probably I need to reapply LM) and the improved clocks is a nice bump.
Dragonstongue - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
thanks to AMD "pressure"If Intel would be doing the RIGHT way for consumers they would have a "family" that all shared the same "features" such as Hyper-V, various things such as SSE instructions pcie-lanes that were not added or removed regardless of the cost being paid (or not paid)
that is one thing have always <3 about AMD they either "give it all" or give "none" not pick and choose things nearly as often as Intel or Ngreedia sometimes in VERY awkward ways...reminds me way back to core 2 Duo line (and many since) that even though was same "family" such as Core 2 Duo E8xxx, some of the chips had some features "given" with some "removed" and the other ones got some of the other features "added" while the others were now "removed"
If they are such a "premium brand" you figure them (and Ngreedia) would be a far more fleshed out far more "complete" product being offered and not pick and choose certain things added or removed but still expect the "premium" price of that family or generation....
that whole pci-e lane if anything irked me to no end...let the USER decide what they can afford on the chip or motherboard, but no reason to "cut things away" to save a dollar or 2 when the end consumer still pays the same price anyways and often enough suffers the "consequence" of having a less complete chip/chipset because of not spending through the nose for a product that is well beyond what they need or can afford.
pressure from AMD (whether Intel, Ngreedia or fanboys "admit it" has caused them to behave more "appropriately") seems AMD is the referee when THEY cannot be their own..shame AMD share price is nowhere close to where it should be considering their massive turn around over the past two years.
eddman - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
I also hate nvidia's pricing tactics but come on, "Ngreedia" is extremely juvenile.Notmyusualid - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
@ eddman - I liked it.Santoval - Monday, October 8, 2018 - link
To the best of my knowledge aren't these Skylake-X refresh CPUs called Cascade Lake-X? If that's the case why wasn't it mentioned anywhere? Was "Cascade Lake" just a temporary marketing term?idri - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
Any info about intel RAID support directly through CPU on these new X-series processors? Do we still required that VROC key to enable these kind of configurations?Adam-James - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
Can we expect the Skylake-X i7-9800X to be competitive with the 2019 Coffee Lake i9-9900K? (not to be confused with the Skylake-X i9-9900X) (god Intel's whole naming scheme is a trash fire)Notmyusualid - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
god Intel's whole naming scheme is a trash fire - innit.Probably good cause for a refund if you mistakenly bought the wrong part.
Not sure which one you'd want, its gonna be a toss-up between out & out IPC and increased memory performance I expect.
halcyon - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
No, not in gaming. i9-9900K has ring bus for 8-cores and i9-9800X has mesh topology. As pointed out above, the cache misses and other issues with bus topology along with higher 1-4 core top clock speeds will let 9900K reign supreme in gaming over 9800X.Notmyusualid - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
I bet knocking off a mere $20 from their top end processor kept management in $9M worth of business meetings / trips, and finance up at nights...Funkengreuven - Sunday, October 14, 2018 - link
I have a Sandy-Bridge 3930K I haven't upgraded for 6+ years because I refused to pay $1000 for a chip just to get the 40+ PCIE lanes I need for multi-GPU and other add-in cards. I feel like I can finally upgrade to the 9800X and still get what I need for a price that is not much more than what I paid for the 3930K years ago. Oh yea, and I've waited so long they finally started soldering the chips again... It's like I've been stuck in a time vault and was released just in time to see what "should" have been available as a successor to Sandy Bridge...albert89 - Sunday, October 14, 2018 - link
Intel's TDP's seem to be going up across all their processor range.That's not good. Also their 9th gen processors give 15-17% performance
gain with an 80% price mark up. Which is a massive ripoff to consumers.
macangel - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
"For the Skylake-X microarchitecture, each CPU has 1.375 MB of L3 cache – so a 10 core CPU should have access to 13.75 MB. If we take the culprit that has changed the most – the 10-core Core i9-9900K"I believe you mean the Core i9 9900X, not K
Supercell99 - Sunday, October 21, 2018 - link
Notice how price per core is not falling over years. They just add cores and jack the prices up. In 8 years there will be 384 core processors that sell for $50,000metropcs - Wednesday, October 31, 2018 - link
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ianken - Friday, November 2, 2018 - link
Late to this but: I'm curious to see 9800x vs 9900k perf. Higher boost vs. fatter cache and more memory bandwidth...