AMD’s GTX 560 Ti Counter-Offensive: Radeon HD 6950 1GB & XFX’s Radeon HD 6870 Black Edition
by Ryan Smith on January 25, 2011 12:20 PM ESTAMD’s Catalyst 11.1a Hotfix
If the first 2 legs of AMD’s GTX 560 Ti counter-offensive were the 6950 1GB and factory overclocked 6870s, then the final leg of that offensive are the drivers. With barely a month between the launch of the 6900 series and today, AMD has only delivered their original launch drivers for the 6900 series. Meanwhile the 6800 series launched with the Catalyst 10.10 hotfix drivers, which due to how AMD organizes their driver branches are little different than the 10.12 drivers currently posted. So in spite of the nearly 2 month gap between the launches of these two card families, AMD is effectively providing the first real driver update for both.
Launching tomorrow will be the Catalyst 11.1a Hotfix drivers. As far as performance goes they contain the usual mix of game-specific performance improvements, with AMD specifically targeting Call of Duty: Black Ops, BattleForge, Metro 2033, and Aliens vs. Predators performance among other games. Having tested these drivers, overall we’re not seeing any significant performance impact in our benchmark suite, even with games that area on AMD’s list. In fact the only area where we are seeing a major change is with our SmallLuxGPU compute benchmark, which looks to be on the receiving end of some shader compiler optimizations by AMD. SLG performance on the 6900 series is up 25%-30%, providing some validity to AMD’s earlier claims that their VLIW4 shader compiler still has some room to grow as AMD learns how to optimize it like they did with the VLIW5 compiler in the past.
The bigger news is what AMD is doing to their control panel, and what it means to you.
Let me first introduce you to a new section of AMD’s 3D Application Settings control panel called Tessellation. With this new control panel feature AMD is implementing a tessellation factor override in to their drivers, allowing AMD and/or the user to clamp down on games and applications using high tessellation factors. The purpose of this feature is to deal with games such as HAWX 2, which uses very high tessellation factors and offers no tessellation configuration besides turning the feature on and off.
As we’ve already well established, NVIDIA has much better tessellation performance than AMD at high tessellation factors even with the 6900 series. This position leaves AMD on the defensive much of the time (“they’re overpowered” doesn’t have the same ring as “they’re underpowered”), but more so than that games like HAWX 2 are particularly damaging to AMD; they don’t just make AMD’s hardware underperform, but they leave users with only the option to accept poor tessellation performance or to turn tessellation off altogether.
The crux of AMD’s argument – and a point that we agree with – is that tessellation is supposed to be easily scalable. It is in fact the basis of tessellation, that a developer can use it to easily scale up a model based on the available hardware, using a combination of mip-chained displacement maps and an appropriate tessellation factor. The end-game of this scenario would be that a game would use low amounts of tessellation on low-end hardware (e.g. APUs), and large amounts of tessellation on high-end hardware such as GeForce GTX 580s and Radeon HD 6970s. But for that to happen game developers need to take advantage of the flexibility of tessellation by having their games and engines use multiple tessellation factors and displacement maps.
Ultimately games like HAWX2 that do not implement these kinds of controls are not easily scalable. This is the choice of the developer, but in long standing tradition both AMD and NVIDIA will override developer wishes in their drivers when they see fit. In this case AMD believes they are helping their customers by having their drivers cap the tessellation factor in some situations, so that their customers can use tessellation without very high tessellation factors bogging down performance.
And while we agree with AMD’s argument, AMD’s implementation leaves us uneasy. Having this feature available is great, just as is the ability to override v-sync, purposely use poor texture filtering quality for speed purposes, and clamping LOD biases .The bit that makes us uneasy is where the default will lie. AMD offers 3 different “modes”: AMD Optimized, which uses an AMD chosen tessellation factor, user control, and Use Application Settings. AMD intends to make the default “AMD Optimized”, which is to say that in the future all games would use the tessellation factor AMD chooses.
We sincerely believe AMD is doing what they think is best for their users even if they also stand to gain in benchmarks, however we find ourselves in disagreement with their choice. While the actions of games like HAWX2 are unfortunate for users, tessellation is well defined in the DirectX 11 specification. We’re more than willing to entertain creative interpretations of matters like texture filtering where the standard doesn’t dictate a single filtering algorithm, but DX11 doesn’t leave any ambiguity here. As such there’s little room in our opinion for drivers to override a game’s request by default. Drivers should not automatically be substituting a lower tessellation factor on their own – this is a power that should be reserved for a user.
Tessellation in action
Admittedly this is a minefield – modern GPUs are all about taking shortcuts, as these are necessary to get reasonable performance with the kind of complexity modern games are shooting for. But it’s our opinion that there’s no better time to take a stand than before an optimization like this is implemented, as once it’s done then it’s almost impossible to change course, or even to have a meaningful discourse about the issue.
At this time AMD has not defined any tessellation factors in their profiles, and as a result the AMD Optimized setting is no different than the Use Application Settings setting. At some point this will change. We would like to see AMD build this feature in to their drivers and leave the choice up to the user, but only time will tell how they proceed.
On that note, tessellation factors are not the only minefield AMD is dabbling in. With the Catalyst 10.10 drivers AMD began playing with their texture filtering quality at different levels. Previously at High Quality (previously known as Catalyst AI Off) AMD would disable all optimizations, while at the default setting of Quality (Catalyst AI Standard) AMD would use a small set of optimizations that had little-to-any impact on image quality, and at Performance (Catalyst AI Advanced) they would use a number of optimizations to improve performance. Texture filtering optimizations are nothing new (having been around practically as long as the 3D accelerator), but in a 2-player market any changes will make a wave.
In the case of AMD’s optimizations, for Quality mode they picked a new set of optimizations that marginally improved performance but at the same time marginally changed the resulting image quality. Many tomes about the issue have already been written, and there’s very little I believe we can add to the subject – meaningful discourse is difficult to have when you believe there’s room for optimizations while at the same time believing there is a point where one can go too far.
AMD Radeon HD 6870, Catalyst 10.10e
In any case while we have found very little to add to the subject, this has not been the case elsewhere on the internet. As such after 3 months AMD is largely reverting their changes to texture filtering, and will be returning it to similar quality levels as what we saw with the Catalyst 10.9 drivers – which is to say they’re now once again shooting for a level of texture filtering quality similar to NVIDIA.
As we have little to add beyond this, here are AMD’s full notes on the matter:
The Quality setting has now been improved to match the HQ setting in all respects except for one – it enables an optimization that limits trilinear anisotropic filtering to areas surrounding texture mipmap level transitions, while doing bilinear anisotropic filtering elsewhere. Sometimes referred to as “brilinear” filtering, it offers a way to improve filtering performance without visibly affecting image quality. It has no impact on texture sharpness or shimmering, and this can be verified by comparing it visually with the High Quality setting.
We continue to recommend the Quality setting as the best one to use for competitive testing for the following reasons:
- It should be visually indistinguishable from the High Quality setting for real textures (with the exception of special test patterns using colored mip levels)
- Visual quality should now be equal to the default setting used on HD 5800 series GPUs with Catalyst 10.9 and earlier drivers, or better when used on HD 6800/6900 series GPUs due to other hardware filtering improvements
- It matches the default texture filtering quality setting currently implemented on our competitor’s GPUs, which make use of the same trilinear filtering optimization
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johnsonx - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - link
first pageMonkeyPaw - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - link
Maybe the site should have a "report an error" link at the end of the page for readers to quietly submit problems. I'm all for accuracy, but these "correction posts" don't really make for conversation. The first 3-4 posts are all correction notices! Hardly the dialog I was looking for. ;)vol7ron - Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - link
+1softdrinkviking - Wednesday, January 26, 2011 - link
+2PS
There should be a way to report 1. errors in technical info (which is important) and 2. grammatical errors (which is not so important) separately. (or exclusively)
I can just picture the editors trying to sort though hordes of emails detailing grammatical minutiae.
buzznut - Sunday, January 30, 2011 - link
All great suggestions. Now I'm certain I'm not the only one who finds the anal retentive "spelling police" weenies annoying!TSnor - Sunday, May 8, 2011 - link
+1 anal retentive "spelling police" weenies annoying!Kaboose - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - link
The chart on the first page shouldn't it read 6950 1gb as opposed to 6870 1gb? Currently it shows both the 6950 and 6870 with all the same specs (except the vRAM)sanityvoid - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - link
Great information for the up and coming 'upgraders', it's good to know that competition is still good between both AMD & Nvidia.On a side note, I'm loving the two color comparison vs blue field for the charts. It makes it really easy to see what is going on for the tests.
Keep up the good work!
KamikaZee - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - link
Last page"there aren’t any games that can exploit this advantage at the common resolutions of 1920x1200, 1920x180, or 1680x1050."
1920x1080 missing a 0
silverblue - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - link
I can only recommend that you get the card that performs best in the games you play, and whilst the 560 Ti will obviously have the edge over the 6950 1GB in tesselation, it's going to use more power overall. Either is great.The 6870 BE isn't bad either, really. Good time to be in the market... though I'm still waiting for the 6990 to rear its ugly head. ;)