Mobility Sector Updates: Waiting for Sandy Bridge and Market Analysisby Jarred Walton & Vivek Gowri on February 7, 2011 3:00 AM EST
Why Sandy Bridge Matters for Notebooks
To say that we were caught off guard by Intel’s announcement last Monday of a flaw in their 6-series chipsets would be an understatement. Bad as that was, it’s the OEMs and system builders that are really feeling the pain—not to mention all the money Intel is losing on this “not a recall”. We’ve seen plenty of manufacturer statements about what they’re doing to address the problem, and we’ve also been talking with our notebook contacts trying to find out how the problem will impact availability.
We’ve also had more than a few delayed/canceled reviews while we wait for a fix. While we’ve looked at a generic Sandy Bridge notebook and a few motherboards, there was still plenty more we wanted to discuss. One such notebook came with a “low-end” i7-2630QM processor and a GTX 460M GPU, packed into a 15.6” chassis and sporting a 1080p LCD and RAID 0 hard drives. The manufacturer asked us to hold off on the full review, and we’ve returned the notebook, but not before we ran it through our suite of mobile benchmarks. Rather than complete a full review of a notebook that may or may not be available, we thought it would be interesting to look at what another SNB notebook would do in comparison to the previous generation parts.
Update: We just got word back, and MSI has given the okay to reveal that the notebook in question is the MSI GT680R; we should hopefully see it return to market in a couple months.
In terms of specs, the notebook in question was very similar to the ASUS G73Jw we reviewed last year. Change the CPU to an i7-2630QM in place of the old i7-740QM, use a different battery and chassis, and you’re set. So exactly what can the 2630QM do relative to the 740QM? We’ve added the complete benchmark results to our Mobile Bench area, so you can quickly see how the two stack up.
If you’re only interested in gaming performance, it’s no surprise that we’re mostly GPU limited with the GTX 460M. The majority of titles are 2-8% faster with the Sandy Bridge setup, but we’re also dealing with updated drivers so the performance increase may come at least in part from NVIDIA. That said, there are a couple of outliers: 900p STALKER: Call of Pripyat shows a massive performance increase, as does 900p StarCraft II. How much of that comes from drivers and how much from the CPU? Since we don’t have the G73Jw around to retest, it’s impossible to say for certain, but we can look at the CPU tests to see how much faster Sandy Bridge can be compared to Clarksfield.
PCMark as usual is heavily influenced by the storage subsystem, so RAID 0 versus a single HDD gives the unnamed system an inherent advantage. The use of Western Digital’s Scorpio Black drives versus a Seagate Momentus 7200.4 is another benefit in the storage area—WD has generally come out on the top of the HDD heap with their Black series (though SSD’s are still much faster). Ignoring PCMark, though, we still see a large advantage for the 2630QM. Single-threaded performance is 21% faster in Cinebench 10/11.5, which in our experience correlates well with general Windows use. In the heavily multithreaded tests, the gap increases to 47-58% in Cinebench and x264 encoding.
It’s not just about performance either. While the 2630QM notebook has a larger 87Wh battery, factoring that into the equation we still see relative battery life improved over the G73Jw by 17% at idle, 40% in H.264 playback, and 42% in Internet surfing. Looking at the comparison with 2820QM with HD Graphics 3000, the GTX 460M still clearly takes a toll on battery life (less than half the relative battery life), but it’s good to see more than three hours of mobility from a gaming laptop.
We’re curious to see if anyone is willing to do Optimus with a 460M (or higher) GPU and a quad-core SNB processor, as that will only serve to further increase battery life. Of course, we still see occasional glitches with Optimus that might make OEMs slow to use it on high-end gaming systems. For instance, Empire: Total War won’t let you select higher than “Medium” detail defaults (because it queries the IGP capabilities rather than the dGPU). Left 4 Dead 2 also had some oddities with the latest driver update—you can’t max out the graphics settings and have it run properly with a GT 420M Optimus in our experience; you have to drop the “Paged Pool Memory Available” setting to Low instead of High/Medium or it will exit to the desktop. The result is lower performance/compatibility relative to discrete GPUs, but I’d be willing to deal with the occasional bug for dramatically improved battery life.
So far the Sandy Bridge discussion has been quad-core SNB vs. quad-core Clarksfield, and that’s the other looming question: just how good will the dual-core SNB chips be? We expect better than Arrandale performance and better than Arrandale and Core 2 Duo battery life, but we haven’t been able to test any dual-core SNB systems yet. Unfortunately, the chipset bug/recall/whatever-you-want-to-call-it means we won’t be able to categorize dual-core SNB performance for at least another month, probably two. It appears the revised chipset allocation is going to go first towards big OEMs (i.e. Dell, HP, etc.), and it would seem Intel is focusing first on getting the mobile chipset fixed over the desktop chipset. Several manufacturers have indicated they expect laptops with the revised chipset to hit the market in the late-March to early-April time frame.
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concernedsophist - Monday, February 7, 2011 - linkThis 10 inch Ontario netbook has a 720p lcd.
JarredWalton - Tuesday, February 8, 2011 - linkDoes it really? It says "internal max resolution" at the linked site, and it also says "XGA" (1024x768). I would be surprised it they had an actual 1280x720 display, but I'll find out soon enough -- the laptop should arrive next week.
concernedsophist - Wednesday, February 9, 2011 - linkYes, I am typing on one right now. Screen res running at 1280x720. The screen looks pretty good, having subjectively compared it to some friends' older netbooks. Running pretty snappy in comparison too.
concernedsophist - Wednesday, February 9, 2011 - linkUpgraded to 2Gb ram. I heard some rumors that the hardware will recognize 4Gb but OS needs to be upgraded to use more then 2.
Hrel - Monday, February 7, 2011 - linkThere's a 15.6" Clevo based on Sandy Bridge with a GTX460M in it that I found on Xoticpc.com and cyberpowerpc.com that I was told by the staff at both websites supported Optimus. AvaDirect also had it but for a much higher price. I think Xotic is the only one that still has any.
It had a solid looking chassis and a very large battery. I'd love to see a review of that unit.
ntsan - Tuesday, February 8, 2011 - linkAcer 522 is 1280X720 P Resolution
Lots of buyer said the screen is nice, you say they are lying?
JarredWalton - Tuesday, February 8, 2011 - linkI corrected the text, but saying "1280x720 is better than 1024x600" doesn't tell us much about the display quality. I don't expect much in terms of contrast, but that's nothing new. I'm just surprised to see 720p as a 10.1" resolution -- I'm a little skeptical that it's really 720p and not 768p, but as stated above, I'll find out soon enough.
flashbacck - Thursday, February 10, 2011 - link*sigh* why is it so hard for PC manufacturers to come up with a nicely designed laptop? Say what you will about the Apple "ecosystem," they sure know how to design nice hardware. I just wish people on the PC side were capable of doing the same.
thrylos - Tuesday, February 7, 2012 - linkThose are my laptop's characteristics :
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 740 @ 1.73GHz , 1730Mhz, 4 core(s)
Installed Memory (RAM): 8GB
Graphics Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce GT 425M 2GB
Display: 14.0 inch, 16:9, 1366x768 pixels
My xps runs hot, in high temperatures.
Its getting hotter and hotter with the time, on both sides (front and back) so every program chrashes. Does anybody know how can i fix it?