ATI’s Crossfire: Best Overclocker on the Market?
by Wesley Fink on September 27, 2005 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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Audio Performance
For audio testing, we used Rightmark 3D Sound CPU utilization test.. This benchmark measures the overhead or CPU utilization required by a codec or hardware audio chip.
It is important to point out that the ATI Crossfire AMD is the first Athlon 64 board that we have seen to deliver Azalia High Definition audio. Those who have been complaining about the poor AC'97 audio present on most AMD boards should be very pleased to find Azalia HD on the ATI. While NVIDIA recently introduced their first HD audio solution, it is only targeted at the high end of the micro ATX integrated graphics market. nForce4 SLI motherboards, which will compete directly with ATI Crossfire AMD, do not currently offer High Definition audio.
We did some brief subjective listening tests with the ATI Azalia HD through a Dolby amplifier and a 5.1 speaker setup. The ATI Azalia HD was in a completely different league from the other audio solutions that we have tested on Athlon 64. Noise was virtually non-existent, and the imaging and depth were superb when listening to demanding recordings. The same CD sounded thin, noisy, and artificial through a more common ALC850 fed to the same Dolby amp and 5.1 speakers. This is not to say that the Azalia HD is at the same level as the very best audio cards, but it is a lot closer than we think that many of you imagine.
It is worth noting that ATI has implemented Azalia HD on the Crossfire AMD with the Realtek ALC880 chipset. This makes it easy for manufacturers to add Dolby Digital Live with "D" versions of this chipset, which are pin-compatible. For more information on the HD Realtek ALC880, go to the Realtek web site.
For audio testing, we used Rightmark 3D Sound CPU utilization test.. This benchmark measures the overhead or CPU utilization required by a codec or hardware audio chip.
It is important to point out that the ATI Crossfire AMD is the first Athlon 64 board that we have seen to deliver Azalia High Definition audio. Those who have been complaining about the poor AC'97 audio present on most AMD boards should be very pleased to find Azalia HD on the ATI. While NVIDIA recently introduced their first HD audio solution, it is only targeted at the high end of the micro ATX integrated graphics market. nForce4 SLI motherboards, which will compete directly with ATI Crossfire AMD, do not currently offer High Definition audio.
We did some brief subjective listening tests with the ATI Azalia HD through a Dolby amplifier and a 5.1 speaker setup. The ATI Azalia HD was in a completely different league from the other audio solutions that we have tested on Athlon 64. Noise was virtually non-existent, and the imaging and depth were superb when listening to demanding recordings. The same CD sounded thin, noisy, and artificial through a more common ALC850 fed to the same Dolby amp and 5.1 speakers. This is not to say that the Azalia HD is at the same level as the very best audio cards, but it is a lot closer than we think that many of you imagine.
It is worth noting that ATI has implemented Azalia HD on the Crossfire AMD with the Realtek ALC880 chipset. This makes it easy for manufacturers to add Dolby Digital Live with "D" versions of this chipset, which are pin-compatible. For more information on the HD Realtek ALC880, go to the Realtek web site.
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ShadowVlican - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
well i hope i can buy the Xpress200.... ATi ain't real until i can buy their motherboards readily everywhere i go (like nVidia's NF4)Beenthere - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
It's no secret ATI has the ability to produce equal or better chipsets and GPUs than Nvidia - they have done this before. What ATI needs to do is get their sh*t together on the details and CUSTOMER SERVICE - Yeah, they've heard of it but evidently they don't know the MEANING OF IT ! Nvidia ain't much better, but ATI's so called Customer Support is a bad joke. Delivering what you promise is a VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION when you are charging the enthusists market segment El PREMO PRICES for your hardware and you had better DELIVER THE GOODS. ATI has failed miserably and Nvidia ain't far behind despite the fact both companies have reaped fortunes from the consumer enthusiast market. Until both companies improve their CUSTOMER SUPPORT neither are getting any of our corporate dollars.yacoub - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Okay so the first good vendor (Asus or similar) to come out with a passively-cooled northbridge, the ALC-880"D" audio chip, a Southbridge with better USB performance, and the rest (it can even be a single GPU board so it's under or around $100 in price) gets my money. =Pyacoub - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Okay that wasn't supposed to reply to your post. Interesting.Live - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Does ATI crossfire support NCQ hard drives or not? Have I understood it correctly in that it is not supported trough the 4 SATA ports from the Southbridge but you can get support from the 2 ports from the included Sil controller?I have read the http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=24...">What's in a name? SATA II Misconceptions
But I still fail to get the facts straight. Does a SATA 2 controller, either from a SB or separate like the Sli, support all of the capabilities in the SATA 2 specs as long as the hard drive does so?
Since I plan on going dual core next, no NCQ seems like a deal breaker to me.
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
The SB450 Southbridge does not support NCQ. The ULi M1573, used on the retail Gigabyte Crossfire AMD and some upcoming retail boards, DOES support NCQ. The Silicon Image 3132 on the ATI Reference Board supports both NCQ and 3Gb SATA2 on the extra SATA ports.The just introduced ULi M1575 Southbridge, which can be used with the ATI Crossfire Northbridge (as soon as it hits the market) supports 3Gb SATA2, NCQ, PCIe Gigabit Ethernet, Azalia HD audio, and features competitive USB throughput. The ATI SB600 will also implement all these features.
etriky - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Anyone have some links to shed some light on this quote."There is a lot of discussion on the web these days claiming that you can minimize the impact of the 2T setting with certain options on Revision E AMD processors."
I've done some searches and come up with nothing.
Thanks.
bigtoe36 - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
forcing a burst length of 8 and forcing burst2opt can bring back some of the lost performance going to 2T, both these features are on the crossfire reference board.Also, i mamaged to talk DFI into making a direct copy of the ATI reference that will run reference bios files, we should see this board in October. This board will be released along side the board already designed by Oskar...so you will have the choice of 2 CF boards from DFI.
Palek - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
On page 1, 2nd paragraph the article says:"AMD had done a particularly excellent job targeting the enthusiast for the new chipset launch, but that realization seemed to come late in the chipset development process."
I suspect that AMD should be ATI.
On page 3, 1st paragraph:
"AMD Crossfire" first, then "Crossfire AMD" later. "ATI Crossfire" or "ATI Crossfire AMD" may be less confusing.
Also on page 3, in last paragraph "AMD Reference Board" is used twice, but the board is referred to earlier on in the article as the "ATI Crossfire AMD Reference Board". "AMD Reference Board" makes it sound like AMD made it.
Question:
How hot did the northbridge get during various phases of your testing? I think a lot of users would appreciate some info regarding operational temperatures. If the ATI chipset turns out to run a lot cooler than nForce4 chipsets, I will gladly forgive the USB speed problems and go with an easier to cool motherboard.
Wesley Fink - Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - link
Corrected.See other comments for NB heat and cooling. My subjective observation is the ATI Northbridge is cooler during heavy OC than the nF4 under the same conditions. However, many of you push boards a lot further than I do so you can take that with a grain of salt. ATI designed this board for the enthusiast and extrene overclocking and temperature under stress was a definite design consideration.