The Intel Core i7-12700K and Core i5-12600K Review: High Performance For the Mid-Range

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• Gondalf - Wednesday, March 30, 2022 - link

  Try to drop AVX, and your power figure change absolutely. This AMD propaganda is stunning.

• tamalero - Wednesday, March 30, 2022 - link

  Do you even know what "Propaganda" is?

• 29a - Thursday, March 31, 2022 - link

  Or Gondalf you could just turn off the computer and power would really drop dramatically.

• OreoCookie - Thursday, March 31, 2022 - link

  I thought that Intel’s current big.little designs do not support AVX, because the small cores don’t.

• mode_13h - Friday, April 1, 2022 - link

  > I thought that Intel’s current big.little designs do not support AVX, because the small cores don’t.
  
  It's AVX-512 they dropped. Gracemont (the E-core in Alder Lake) is actually the first Intel "little" core to support AVX/AVX2. And because it lacks AVX-512, Intel actually added a couple more regular AVX instructions, for special-purposes (deep learning) that had only so far been by AVX-512.

• mode_13h - Friday, April 1, 2022 - link

  Oh, and if you didn't know, AVX and AVX2 are both 256-bit. AVX basically provides instructions for operating on 8-element fp32 vectors, while AVX2 adds operations on 4-element fp64 vectors and various sizes of integer vectors.
  
  This mirrors what Intel did with SSE and SSE2, where SSE was introduced with the Pentium 3 and SSE2 was introduced with the Pentium 4. Before SSE2, you'd have to use (64-bit) MMX for vector operations on integers, but MMX had various downsides (besides the width).

• MDD1963 - Friday, April 1, 2022 - link

  "Keep in mind that Zen 4 is coming later this year and will make Alder Lake 2nd again. " Pretty sure that is not all that is coming out this year. (Raptor Lake) But, the difference is, I'm not really on a side, and wish both do well, and, honestly, although I seem to root for Intel, no one can deny 5600X on up are good products. Quibbling over the 5-10% differences is almost pointless.

• Rezurecta - Friday, April 1, 2022 - link

  COMPLETELY disagree that AMD approach looks rudimentary. The intel design is impressive and them making it work in an x86 architecture is great! That thread director (or whatever its called) is really cool and I can't wait to see how they develop it and optimize it in future setups. However, Intel is using a design setup that mobile parts have been using for years in having big little. They have a very power hungry design. A process node that is archaic compared to TSMC 7nm and smaller. And finally not being able to move away from expensive monolithic design. Chiplets are the future and AMD lead the way in that!
  
  Granted I will say 100% I am very impressed that Intel was able to do what they did with the tools in hand, but to call AMD design rudimentary is inaccurate.
  
  The true test for 12th gen is the low power U series that will be in thin and light laptops. The fact that they haven't released it yet and started with a desktop alternative laptop processor is worrisome. To me that chip was just throwing 100W+ in a laptop that is completely useless for 99% of the user base to impress people, but it isn't the reality of what their laptop lineup will look like.
  
  It is an interesting time and I'm glad there is competition in the space!

• Mike Bruzzone - Tuesday, April 5, 2022 - link

  I'm monitoring all of AL mobile. mb

• Blastdoor - Tuesday, March 29, 2022 - link

  Will there be a review of the Mac studio with M1 Ultra? If not, I’ll stop checking the site.