Ampere’s Product List: 80 Cores, up to 3.3 GHz at 250 W; 128 Core in Q4by Dr. Ian Cutress on June 23, 2020 9:00 AM EST
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- Altra Max
With the advent of higher performance Arm based cloud computing, a lot of focus is being put on what the various competitors can do in this space. We’ve covered Ampere Computing’s previous eMag products, which actually came from the acquisition of Applied Micro, but the next generation hardware is called Altra, and after a few months of teasing some high performance compute, the company is finally announcing its product list, as well as an upcoming product due for sampling this year.
Ampere’s Altra is a realized version of Arm’s Neoverse N1 enterprise core, much like Amazon’s Graviton2, but this time in an 80-core arrangement. Where Graviton2 is designed to suit Amazon’s needs for Arm-based instances, Ampere’s goal is essentially to supply a better-than-Graviton2 solution to the rest of the big cloud service providers (CSPs). Of the companies that have committed to an N1 based design, so far on paper Ampere is publically the biggest and fastest on the books.
The Ampere Altra range, as part of today’s release, will offer parts from 32 cores up to 80 cores, up to 3.3 GHz, with a variety of TDPs up to 250 W. As we’ve described in our previous news items on the chip, this is an Arm v8.2 core with a few 8.3+8.5 features, offers support for FP16 and INT8, supports 8 channels of DDR4-3200 ECC at 2 DIMMs per channel, and up to 4 TiB of memory per socket in a 1P or 2P configuration. Each CPU will offer 128 PCIe 4.0 lanes, 32 of which can be used for socket-to-socket communications implemented with the CCIX protocol over PCIe. This means 50 GB/s in each direction, and 192 PCIe 4.0 lanes in a dual socket system for add-in cards. Each of the PCIe lanes can bifurcate down to x2.
|Ampere 1st Gen Altra 'QuickSilver'
|Q80-33||80||3.3 GHz||250 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q80-30||80||3.0 GHz||210 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q80-26||80||2.6 GHz||175 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q80-23||80||2.3 GHz||150 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q72-30||72||3.0 GHz||195 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q64-33||64||3.3 GHz||220 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q64-30||64||3.0 GHz||180 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q64-26||64||2.6 GHz||125 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q64-24||64||2.4 GHz||95 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q48-22||48||2.2 GHz||85 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q32-17*||32||1.7 GHz||58 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|Q32-17||32||1.7 GHz||45 W||128x G4||8 x 3200||?|
|*With 4 TiB DRAM Installed|
I must credit Ampere here. This is by far the easiest product naming scheme I’ve ever seen. Intel could learn a million things from this naming scheme alone. The ‘Q’ stands for QuickSilver, the codename of the underlying SoC, followed by a core count and a frequency.
Previously Ampere had stated they were going for 80 cores at 3.0 GHz at 210 W, however the Q80-33 is pushing that frequency another 300 MHz for another 40 W, and we understand that the tapeout of silicon from TSMC performed better than expected, hence this new top processor.
It’s worth doing some basic metrics on power efficiency. If we take the TDP as solely the power for the cores, and do some math on Watts per Core, then GHz per Watt, the top Q80-33 SKU scores 1.06, around the middle of the pack (most CPUs score 0.95-1.25 GHz/W). The highlight of the list by this metric is the Q64-24, offering the most frequency for the least power: 1.62 GHz per Watt.
Also, just because we have the numbers, AMD’s big Rome CPUs consume about 3 W per core at full load, and run at approximately 3.0 GHz on all CPUs. Altra, by comparison, uses 2.6 W per core on the Q80-30. These Altra CPUs have no turbo mechanism, and thus the TDP metrics being given by Ampere are for the literal peak power consumption numbers, so what is listed above is merely a design point for chassis building, rather than a full representation of power consumption when deployed in the cloud.
Ampere states they have a number of ODMs on board that will be ready to provide Altra systems, including Gigabyte and Wiwynn, with a couple of second tier players also in the mix. These systems should be more readily available in August and September.
When we asked Ampere about the interest for these chips, the company stated that most of the interest from CSPs was actually at the high end dual socket deployments, for the highest core counts and the highest frequencies. Even though Ampere isn’t announcing pricing publically, the company states that their pricing has not been an obstacle for CSP deployments, with major customers testing the hardware for up to 2 months already. Current announced customers include Packet and CloudFlare, with Packet offering early access for its key clients.
Ampere is also one of the lead partners for CUDA on Arm, and is set to offer full CUDA support for Altra when paired with NVIDIA graphics accelerators.
If that wasn’t enough, Ampere dropped a sizeable nugget into our pre-announcement briefing. The company is set to launch a 128-core version of Altra later this year.
This will be a new silicon design, beyond Ampere's initial layout of 80 cores for Altra, however Ampere states that while they are using the same platform as the regular Altra, they have done extensive tweaking and optimizations within the mesh interconnect for Altra Max to hide the additional contention that might occur when using the same main memory speeds.
Altra Max will be socket and pin-compatible with Altra, also support dual socket deployments, and Ampere states that the silicon will be ready for early sampling with partners in Q4, and is looking to move into high volume in mid-2021. The 128-core design was given the code-name Mystique, and so we might expect to see these CPUs start with the letter M.
Update on 5nm Siryn
The next generation of Ampere’s product line, as previously reported, is going to use the codename Siryn (sire-inn) and be built on TSMC’s 5nm process, set for sampling in late 2021. Ampere stated in our briefing that test chips that use IP meant to be adopted in Siryn have already taped out - the actual Siryn chip will tape out sometime in the next year.
Siryn will likely be marketed as ‘2nd Generation Altra’, and if the naming convention of CPUs stays the same, these will start with ‘S80’ etc. Ampere has stated that the Siryn platform will be new, especially because of new technologies (PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 were mentioned, but not confirmed for Siryn).
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drexnx - Tuesday, June 23, 2020 - linkclicked thinking this was about Nvidia Ampere and that they renamed SMs "cores" or something
I was sadly mistaken.
Drkrieger01 - Tuesday, June 23, 2020 - linkSame! I'm kinda wishing the architecture name wasn't reused, but I guess it really doesn't make sense to patent that part of the IP.
Kjella - Tuesday, June 23, 2020 - linkSame here. I'm amazed they haven't battled this out in court, the only reason I can think of is that ampere is an SI unit and not an invented word so any registered trademark must be very narrow. There's definitively marketplace confusion here.
Pyrostemplar - Wednesday, June 24, 2020 - linkAnd it is the name of a guy also.
IT is doubtful that Amperecomputing could trademark Ampere. And well, if nVidia chooses to use the name, more publicity for them (and being a new company, that is a bonus).
Santoval - Wednesday, June 24, 2020 - link"IT is doubtful that Amperecomputing could trademark Ampere".
They actually filed for an "AMPERE" (only all caps?) trademark back on November 2017 and they had it registered -after a very long process of examinations, oppositions by other parties (Nvidia?), extensions, "divisional requests", initial refusals, exparte appeals etc etc- on February 2020 :
Their "AMPERE COMPUTING" trademark application is bizarrely less lucky, despite being more narrow and specific. It is currently on its second extension and still has not been registered..
Santoval - Wednesday, June 24, 2020 - linkAmpere is the name of a company, not a product / CPU part. Ampere Computing registered "Ampere" as a trademark (almost certainly narrowly, as a company only) when they were founded back in 2017 (long before Nvidia's Ampere release). How do I know that? I don't even need to look far, just click the link at the end and check out that ® right next to "Ampere" at the top.
Nvidia, therefore, do not and cannot have a case against Ampere,in any court, due to the latter's rather long pre-existence, their pre-existing trademark and its (apparent) narrowness. Do Ampere have a case against Nvidia though? Almost certainly not due to the same reasons and due to the vetting of "Ampere" as product name by Nvidia's legal team. Furthermore Nvidia recently partnered with Ampere for CUDA support and they also announced a reference design GPU-accelerated Ampere eMAG server.
Dolda2000 - Tuesday, June 23, 2020 - linkWhile I'm more than a bit sad that this is all about hardware that I'll never touch, it's nice to see all these newcomer companies take serious aim at the server space and seeing the beginnings of some real competition there for the first time in over a decade. I hope we'll be able to see benchmarks of these systems in due time, and I'm also interested to see what Nuvia will come out with.
twtech - Tuesday, June 23, 2020 - linkIt seems to be all about Intel having fumbled the process advantage lead they used to have really badly. So badly that not only did they get caught, it's questionable if they can ever even come back to parity.
Apple certainly saw the writing on the wall a few years ago, which is why they are moving back to producing their own CPUs again rather than staying on the sinking Intel ship.
Another clear trend in computing is many-core. For the moment, enthusiasts/gamers don't care that much about it because there are basically no game engines that are really infinitely scalable in terms of cores. But I wouldn't be surprised if a couple console generations from now, they have 32 or 64 core CPUs. Once it's possible to actually max out a 64-core CPU in the typical apps that most people would be running, then everyone will want them.
mode_13h - Wednesday, June 24, 2020 - link> It seems to be all about Intel having fumbled the process advantage lead they used to have really badly.
No, it's more to do with the poor efficiency of the x86 ISA, which is why it failed in mobile. x86 was bound to run out of steam at some point. ARMv8 has a bit more room for improvement. This was inevitable.
back2future - Tuesday, June 23, 2020 - linkconnecting ARM and x64, getting versatile advantages?