AMD Ryzen 5 3500 & 3500X Support Spotted
by Anton Shilov on September 24, 2019 1:30 PM EST
Three partners of AMD this week on their respective websites have begun to list two new yet unannounced Ryzen 5 3000-series processors. The new six-core CPUs — the Ryzen 5 3500 and the Ryzen 5 3500X — look set to be cheaper than already available Zen 2-based processors when they are available.
MSI added support for AMD's Ryzen 5 3500X CPU to its MEG X570 Godlike motherboard revealing some of its specifications. In the meantime, Amazon began to list HP’s Pavilion gaming desktop based on the Ryzen 5 3500 and NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 1650 4 GB graphics card that is currently available for pre-order. The system will ship on October 20, 2019.
As it turns out, according to the listings, the six-core Ryzen 5 3500X processor operates at 3.6 GHz default frequency, has a 3 MB L2 cache, 32 MB of L3 cache, and a 65 W TDP. The six-core Ryzen 5 3500 has similar features, but it works at 3.4 GHz and does not support AMD’s XFR technology, according to the listing at Amazon.com.
Considering that the Ryzen 5 3500 processor is already listed by a major PC maker, it is likely that it is either already shipping, or is about to ship. Menwhile, it is unclear when AMD plans to start shipments of the Ryzen 5 3500X, but it reasonable to expext that it will become available around the same time as the Ryzen 5 3500 model.
When it comes to pricing, AMD’s Radeon 5 3500 and 3500X processors will sit below the Ryzen 5 3600 and 3600X CPUs, so think about price points at around or below $200.
Related Reading:
- The AMD 3rd Gen Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 3700X and 3900X Raising The Bar
- AMD: Next Gen Threadripper and Ryzen 9 3950X, Coming November
- The MSI MEG X570 Godlike Motherboard Review: Thor's Flagship
Sources: Amazon, MSI (via Twitter/momomo_us)
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0ldman79 - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
^^This.Anandtech posted what they could somewhat confirm, not speculation.
Death666Angel - Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - link
"6C6T chips which is a change from previous gens being 4c8t chips" That is a weird way to phrase that. Previously we had 4C/4T, 4C/8T and 6C/12T CPUs from AMD in the Ryzen lineup (plus others of course). Now we also have 6C/6T. So we've had non-SMT chips before, just not at 6 cores. I'd rather have 6 real cores than 8 threads, personally. :) Will have to see how much these cost, might pick one up for my secondary build. That is, if the leaks are accurate.PeachNCream - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
I wonder if the HP Pavilion in question has a chipset cooling fan. Big OEMs are usually reluctant to pick up parts that have potential warranty replacement risks so if anyone can keep one of those new, blistering hot chipsets cool with something passive, it's probably a company like HP.Irata - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
A quick check on HP's website does wonders: under "chipset" it lists "AMD Promontory B550A"peevee - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
So what is the diff between 3500x and 3600?PeachNCream - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
Price...and e-peen size. Mainly e-peen size though as we all know that the letter X makes it feel bigger when you put it in the socket or post a photo of it to show it off to random people on Reddit.kavanoz - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
According to other comments, 3500X is 6C6T while 3600 is 6C12T. I had the same question when I read the article as the table shows everything as equal.peevee - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
Pretty large difference in MT performance then. Previous-gen Ryzen had up to +50% on MT performance with SMT, with ST improvements in Zen 2 it is probably not as large as there are fewer underutilized resources in ST per core, but still should be noticeable, maybe up +30%?lightningz71 - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Other sources are indicating that the 3500 will have half the L3 size of the 3500X. This may be a cost recovery effort by finding a use for CCDs that have defective L3 cells. Given the lower thread count of the 3500/3500x, the halving of the L3 may not make that big of a difference to overall performance. Also, since one of the effects of SMT is to hide memory access latency in high MT scenarios, not having that enabled on these chips may exacerbate the issues that AMD has with overall RAM access latency with respect to Intel, meaning that, the L3 size change may instead be a bigger performance issue, and that DRAM performance tuning and overclocking may play a much larger role in the performance of these chips than the 3600s.It'll be interesting to see the benchmarks of the 3500/3500x as compared to the 3600 and the 2600/2600x. I suspect that the 2600X will be priced very similarly, and, when carefully tuned, will likely be faster than the 3500 in most cases, and likely only trail the 3500x in highly single threaded tasks.